https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZCOyTQeOyc&t=1755s
Time 28:00
Kelsey Dionne talks w the d20play guys
Gavin Norman w Neceotic Gnome.
DCC’s Stroh and Michael CUrtis (stonehell megadungeon).
Hanker and Fernail (Hank Erandernail?) at Runehammer games.. situation design more than dungeon design .
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